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    Quote Originally Posted by nprint View Post
    pdf with fonts outlined
    Hey, guy, have to stay up-to-date: 20th century and its old crappy one-page EPS files are over... yet are the 21st century and modern PDF!

    Outlining fonts was an old method used in the last century to avoid font troubles when sending old EPS files, as EPS was not able to embed the fonts... but EPS is now outdated, and outlining has no more reason to be used, mainly because PDF files CAN easily embed the fonts: that's even one of its major feature and advantage, avoiding the need of outlining fonts in PDF.

    By the way, its always better to keep the fonts "live" in a PDF: the PDF are lighter, they are processed easier and quicker by the RIPs, last minute (little) text corrections remain possible, and, mainly, the hints are kept and can act, allowing a better rasterization of the glyphs, especially for little size of text at low resolution, like 600 dpi digital laser printing or low-cost 720 dpi ink-jet printing.
    Last edited by leila; 07-23-2011 at 02:37 PM.

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    PDF/X-1a

    Quote Originally Posted by felcab View Post
    PDF is the best format for print
    This best one is PDF/X-1a. Embedded Font, CMYK, Downsample image resolution to suit value for smaler file size, auto cropping image, flatten transparency to avoid errors... Press Quality has same setting to PDF/X-1a except unflatten transparency.

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    pdf workflow standards and whats left of prepress

    i doubt there is still the possibility for discussion here. PDF is for sure the standard for any file submission nowadays. and why would you ever wanna submit any different except if you extremely unsure about the quality of your artwork or doubt your own skills in preparing files for print.

    therefor -> PDF

    except, if you have any doubt about your artwork, STILL PDF, but submit all the collected source documents as well and don't forget the fonts!

    always ask for feedback if you submit files!

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    in dependency on RIP type, PS-file easy file format

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    For me PDF is the best file format for printshops mainly because it bridges the gap between two competing OS (Windows & Apple). It also eradicate incompatibilities if you are using different versions of Indesign.

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    The problem i see with embedding fonts in PDF instead of outlining is that you are relying on the font rasterizer in the RIP. Which may be produce better results than the outlining but it may also produce worse. I've seen my Fiery controller (on a digital copier) do weird stuff with fonts (although its very rare but it has destroyed small and fine glyphs which came out properly when i tried with outlining ).

    So, i'm guessing there is still *some* risk involved with embedding...

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    PDF 1.3 standard PDF/X-1a:2001

    I always use composit PDF 1.3 standard PDF/X-1a:2001 with embedded fonts (no outline). It is processed with a CTP unit.

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    Use .ps-files.

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    PDF X1a is good.

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    PDF with embedded fonts works best

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    the pdf/x-1,3 maybe the best.

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    PDF x1a seems to work best for me as it's backward compatible for those running old setups! It is a 2001 standard after all.

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    Oh and placing previously created PDF's/graphics into illustrator running a Object->flatten transparency works well before creating a PDF x1a. Make sure you tick convert to outlines!

    It's a cheap way of doing your own preflight before sending to a supplier! Edit->Colours->Convert to CMYK is a good check too once you have selected everything on the pasteboard

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    Quote Originally Posted by univers1314 View Post
    PDF is good format for print.Because pdf is workflow file format
    you can use "plug_ins" to edit pdf files (For example:pitstop ,heidelberg toolbox)

    The standard pdf format for print

    no OPI
    no icc embedded
    embedded fonts or fonts outline
    no Low resolution pictutes
    no RGB model
    no lab model
    no white overprint
    I do agree with this one.. and as we all know, PDF as a Portable Digital Format,,, if we can bring the portable why we need to bring the native?..
    But..
    we cannot deny if something trouble happen with the PDF, and before we can assure that the PDF we bring is as standard, below are the solution:

    Quote Originally Posted by leila View Post
    PDF is not a wizard-stick that transforms any crap in a printable file! so, PDF is the best format for print ONLY if you know how to make a good native file, and how to make a good PDF from this native file!!!

    Otherwise, a badly made PDF can be a real pain in the ass, and the time lost to fix all its issues can become hugely greater than working directly on the native file.


    So, before sending a PDF to your printer, just ask yourself 3 questions:
    - do I know this job enough to make a perfect native file?
    - do I know PDF enough to make a perfect PDF?
    - do I know the job and the PDF enough to control my PDF?
    If you cannot answer "yes" to these 3 questions, you'll better have to find a printer who will accept native InDesign files, and will accept to fix all its issues.


    Quote Originally Posted by arcanumoid View Post
    The problem i see with embedding fonts in PDF instead of outlining is that you are relying on the font rasterizer in the RIP. Which may be produce better results than the outlining but it may also produce worse. I've seen my Fiery controller (on a digital copier) do weird stuff with fonts (although its very rare but it has destroyed small and fine glyphs which came out properly when i tried with outlining ).

    So, i'm guessing there is still *some* risk involved with embedding...
    we do have a digital printing and one we use Fiery as a RIP (cmiiw), much of the embeded fonts also have problems. Not only fonts, but transparency also. I have compare with Indigo RIP which is better...

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    Absolutely PDF with embedded fonts. Depending on where the font is in the product, if its black, 30, 30, 30, 100 is a good colour setting. It's easy on the press and the pressman.
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