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    Exclamation Sharing experience: Structural packaging design. How much?

    Hello,

    I offer to share our experience in the development of structural packaging design.
    Who takes much money from the client. What are the criterias.

    My Price list for the development of structural packaging design:
    • simple box - $50
    • medium difficulty box - $50-100
    • complex box - $100-200
    • new unusual shape - $200
    • making full-size layout - count of pages A4 * $10

    What suggestions?
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    Well, you opened the box, so to speak, so my questions:

    1)How do you determine what is small, medium, etc.

    2)How do you gauge the difficulty?

    Truly just curious here.

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    Determine the complexity of the packaging

    This division quite arbitrary. I determine how long is spent on the form's creation.

    • Simple box
    [URL="http://cartonus.com/node/118"]Base carton[/URL]
    [URL="http://cartonus.com/node/41"]Envelope[/URL]

    • Medium complexity box
    [URL="http://cartonus.com/node/93"]Tray and lid[/URL]
    [URL="http://cartonus.com/node/40"]Envelope[/URL]

    • Complex box
    [URL="http://cartonus.com/node/99"]Laptop[/URL]
    [URL="http://cartonus.com/node/377"]Octahedral[/URL]
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    Quote Originally Posted by cartonus View Post
    Hello,

    I offer to share our experience in the development of structural packaging design.
    Who takes much money from the client. What are the criterias.

    My Price list for the development of structural packaging design:
    • simple box - $50
    • medium difficulty box - $50-100
    • complex box - $100-200
    • new unusual shape - $200
    • making full-size layout - count of pages A4 * $10

    What suggestions?
    $200 for one [URL="http://www.packmage.com/boxtemplates.aspx"]carton box template[/URL]? That's too much expensive, I was heard somewhere only need $19.98.

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    whit mockup?

    all this development are whit carton mockup?


    Quote Originally Posted by cartonus View Post
    Hello,

    I offer to share our experience in the development of structural packaging design.
    Who takes much money from the client. What are the criterias.

    My Price list for the development of structural packaging design:
    • simple box - $50
    • medium difficulty box - $50-100
    • complex box - $100-200
    • new unusual shape - $200
    • making full-size layout - count of pages A4 * $10

    What suggestions?

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    Does the cost not seem to be too high

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    Development of complex packaging design can take many hours. Therefore, $ 200 - this is not the limit.

    Have anyone price?
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    I hope your all considering the full structural packaging service when you consider price. It's not just software and a dxf file any can provide that. We also provide CAD's of the designs on the materials to be used for finals, need to consider this cost, time and equipment expense as well.
    Are you just giving them files or samples too?

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    Any update on the success of your services?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSquaredDesigns View Post
    Any update on the success of your services?
    For freelance work I typically charge $125/hour plus materials. Each job is quoted on a per job basis with a 1 hour minimum. I usually charge $10/sheet for corrugated regardless if you get 1 or 10 samples. The real money is in the labor, not the materials :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacunda View Post
    For freelance work I typically charge $125/hour plus materials. Each job is quoted on a per job basis with a 1 hour minimum. I usually charge $10/sheet for corrugated regardless if you get 1 or 10 samples. The real money is in the labor, not the materials :)
    Is this your full time job? I ask because I've been thinking of going out on my own but was unsure how well it work. I haven't seen anyone doing this as their primary source of income. Everyone seems to work for somebody which is what I want to escape from.

    I actually posted a thread on here a couple weeks ago asking if anyone has any insight on the issue. Here's the link:
    www.printroot.com/forum/f12/there-any-successful-freelance-structural-designers-out-there-43724/

    What other services do you offer your clients aside from design and prototyping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSquaredDesigns View Post
    Is this your full time job?
    I am a full time structural designer but I do work for an independent manufacturer at this time. I pickup jobs in the evenings to supplement my daytime income.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSquaredDesigns View Post
    What other services do you offer your clients aside from design and prototyping?
    The usual stuff like consulting, 3D layouts, TOPS analysis, Packaging Audits. I also blend in other talents such as web, database, and misc code development when applicable. If I see a potential opening I like to offer a solution even if it is outside of the packaging world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSquaredDesigns View Post
    I ask because I've been thinking of going out on my own but was unsure how well it work. I haven't seen anyone doing this as their primary source of income. Everyone seems to work for somebody which is what I want to escape from.

    I actually posted a thread on here a couple weeks ago asking if anyone has any insight on the issue. Here's the link:
    www.printroot.com/forum/f12/there-any-successful-freelance-structural-designers-out-there-43724/
    I might have replied to your other thread but here it is here anyhow:

    The biggest problem with going full time is the number of manufacturers out there who basically give design services away free. There is the unwritten rule that the plant who designs gets the business but we all know that is not always the case.

    Until a time comes that the packaging world starts charging for design/engineering services up front it will be very difficult for individuals to make it a profession as a single source of income like you can as a graphic artist or web developer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacunda View Post
    I might have replied to your other thread but here it is here anyhow:

    The biggest problem with going full time is the number of manufacturers out there who basically give design services away free. There is the unwritten rule that the plant who designs gets the business but we all know that is not always the case.

    Until a time comes that the packaging world starts charging for design/engineering services up front it will be very difficult for individuals to make it a profession as a single source of income like you can as a graphic artist or web developer.

    Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. To go freelance, you would need to be able to offer more services then just structural design and prototyping. If it were paired up with say.... a branding service whether it is built in house or a partner, it might be able to work.

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    You might think of partnering with advertising and marketing agencies in your area. You could always send mass mailings or drop off some business cards to local agencies. Start to get the word out that you are available.

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